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 nybor edoh |
Translation of the Gest |
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Posts: 1 (01/04/08 18:31:04) |
Greetings fellow merry men and merry maids
I have just discovered this forum and was wondering what other Robyn Hode devotees think of Robert Henshaw's translation of the Gest. |
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Posts: 281 (01/05/08 00:13:10) |
Welcome to the Blue Boar, Nybor Edoh!
Haven't read Mr. Henshaw's translation yet, but would love to. 
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 400 (01/05/08 00:34:39) |
He even translates Barnsdale to Nottingham.
"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance."
W. Clement Stone |
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Posts: 25 (01/05/08 08:15:46) |
Hi lady archer and nyor edoh,
Some years ago another Robin Hood ForUm asked me to contribute an article explaining my and Jim Lees's belief that Robin Hood was a De Kyme. The article found its way on to the World Wide Web. If you care to Google, Robert Henshaw, my article is there. For some reason the second Robert Henshaw on Google brings up Graham's article. And for any one perverse enough to view it you get the added bonus of not only seeing what Mr Kirkby looks like, but you get to see his legs too. Graham what else did Santa Clause bring you apart from a book of quotations? I quite like the one abbributed to, I believe Isaac Newton - when asked how he saw so far replied, "I stood on the shoulder of a giant." Me too, my giant was my uncle Jim. Kindest regards Robert H |
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 401 (01/05/08 10:23:48) |
Yes he was a giant among men Robert I heartily agree.
"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance."
W. Clement Stone |
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nybor edoh |
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Posts: 3 (01/05/08 17:30:15) |
Thanks for your replies. I have read the said article, and keep returning to it again and again. Did you ever manage to get the book Robin Hood: Loyalist,
Rebel,Ballad Hero published? If not, it is a great shame. It is the nearest thing I have ever seen regarding Robin Hood that offers a logical answer, and I
have been searching for over 30 years. I had already found the other forum-site that you mention, which now seems defunct, but I did read what was still
available and was quite surprised at the 'pig-headedness' of some of the replies. I think you should be congratulated most heartily for your findings
(and your uncle's). A grey-goose feather-in-your-cap Sir, would seem apt. The connection between Robert de Kyme and Randolf, 3rd Earl of Chester, likewise
the Scottish connection (I am Scottish) between the de Kymes' and the Earldom of Huntingdon through the Scottish nobility, also the connection between
Robert and the Sheriff is nothing less than brilliant. It certainly unravels a lot of the twisted and tangled threads of the rich tapestry that the legend has
become.
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Posts: 85 (01/06/08 07:20:37) |
Hi Robert;
I have to agree with Graham and yourself about your uncle Jim. As you know we wrote back and forth to each other for many years then in 1995 I went to visit him and your aunt Margaret. I for one found it was a great pleasure to sit and talk to him face to face. I still have all his letters and books and refer to them from time to time. Regards Bob |
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Robhen |
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Posts: 27 (01/11/08 06:22:13) |
Hi Bob,
I was talking to Margaret over Christmas and mentioned you. She remembers you very well and asked me to pass on her best wishes. She is 82 now and would you believe it, she climbed up in to her loft to retrieve some old family photos for me - typical of her. Last Summer she slipped in her garden one Thursday morning. She tolerated the pain in her wrist until Sunday. She had broken it. They made 'em tough in those days. Nybor edoh, thanks for the reply; very kind of you. I have yet to get Robin Hood: Loyalist, Rebel, Ballad Hero, published, but I am still working on it. Jim only ever used an ancient typewriter, so I've adapted the manuscript to word. I want to incorporate some more pictures in to it too: Robin Hood's stables, friar Tuck's well, Codnor castle - family seat of the de Greys - sheriffs of Nottingham, and Chartley castle in Loxley, etc. Just a quick note, Lucy de Kyme, daughter of Philip de Kyme, born circa 1248, married Robert de Umfraville, who I am sure you know, was the Earl of Angus. His son Gilbert became Lord of Kyme. Pure coincidence do you think that some of the first references to Robin Hood were by Scottish historians? Regards Robert. |
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Posts: 63 (01/11/08 10:10:04) |
Interesting! Looking forward to your book! I am sure Jim would be pleased.
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 406 (01/13/08 00:47:31) |
The reason for the Scottish connection is the Earldom of Huntingdon which is a Scottish earldom.
"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance."
W. Clement Stone
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Posts: 133 (01/13/08 05:51:37) |
This map looks as if it refers to a period about 1000. The Kingdom of Strathclyde ceased to exist in 1018, and Edinburgh was permanently annexed into
Scottish hands in 1020. The Earldom of Huntingdon, a later creation, passed to the Scottish royal family in 1113. Not sure which period you're referring to
when you talk about Northumbria coming under Scottish influence - presumably the Scottish domination of the Northern counties 1138-57? It's still a little
early for most datings of Robin Hood. (The period 1314-28 is also interesting in this connection - Carola Oman makes use of her fourteenth century setting to
account for "Robin Hood and the Scotchman", associating the ballad with events surrounding the Battle of Myton in 1319. However, since
"Scotchman" appears to be an allegory of the career of Charles II, it's probably valueless in seeking information about Robin Hood. In any case,
the Earldom of Huntingdon (First Creation) had become extinct in 1237: the Second Creation dates to 1337 and has no Scottish connection.)
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