I am interested in the views of others.
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Why is there such a strong association between Robin and archery? Is it because he was an outstanding archer etc, or because archery was prevalent in those
days and was something 'commoners' could relate to, or is it connected to the advent of the longbow becoming a serious weapon of warfare, given the
time-period. (I do know the history of the weapon)
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I find it interesting that the period in which the longbow came to prominence in warfare coincides pretty closely with a golden age of English outlawry,
between about the mid 1310s and the late 1340s. This is probably the period in which the legend took shape ("songs of Robin Hood" were well known by
1377; the first certain instance of a criminal actually using "Robin Hood" as an alias rather than having it foisted on him as an epithet dates to
1354). The class issue was probably influential as well.
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The long bow is not mentioned in any of the early ballads. But according to a member of the local archery club, 'long bows' have been discovered at
Neolithic dig sites. Maybe a big man needed a bigger bow, and a small man required a small bow; horses for courses. Finsbury Fields!
As regards Robin Hood being an outstanding archer, other members of his band were equally adept.
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1981Marcus wrote: Who was the 1354 man Marcus?
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A poacher caught in Rockingham Forest, Northamptonshire, who apparently gave that as his name. I suppose it could be his real name, but it seems unlikely. Good point, Robhen, about the longbow not being mentioned as such in early sources: its prominence in the later legend probably has a lot to do with its nationalistic associations, having won so many battles in the Hundred Years War. But the prominence of archery competitions in the Gest is striking: I'd be interested to know what the evidence is for such events before the fourteenth century. |
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Oh, PS - that came from Peter Hill, a local historian in the Northants area who trumpeted this discovery a few years ago; I don't know precisely where he
found it.
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Thanks Marcus.
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I have often thought that the best archers
would need to be from the yeoman class or higher in order to have sufficient time to perfect their skill in archery? If that is the case then would it not lend
substance to Robin Hood being a member of the nobility as portrayed by Munday? Here is an article from the Encyclopaedia Britannica.
The English longbowThe longbow evolved during the 12th century in response to the demands of siege and guerrilla operations in the Welsh Marches, a topographically close and economically marginal area that was in many ways similar to the regions in which the crossbow had evolved three centuries earlier. It became the most effective individual missile weapon of western Europe until well into the age of gunpowder and was the only foot bow since classical times to equal the composite recurved bow in tactical effectiveness and power. While it was heavily dependent on the strength and competence of its user, the longbow in capable hands was far superior to the ordinary military crossbow in range, rate of fire, and accuracy. Made from a carefully cut and shaped stave of yew or elm, it varied in length, according to the height of the user, from about five to seven feet. The longbow had a shorter maximum range than the short, stiff composite Turkish or Mongol saddle bows of equivalent draw force, but it could drive a heavy arrow through armour with equal efficiency at medium ranges of 150-300 yards. Each archer would have carried a few selected light arrows for shooting at extreme ranges and could probably have reached 500 yards with these. The longbow's weakness was that of every serious military bow: the immense amounts of time and energy needed to master it. Confirmation of the extreme demands placed on the archer was found in the skeletal remains of a bowman who went down with the English ship Mary Rose, sunk in Portsmouth Harbour in 1545. The archer (identified as such by a quiver, its leather strap still circling his spine) exhibited skeletal deformations caused by the stresses of archery: the bones of his left forearm showed compression thickening, his upper backbone was twisted radially, and the tips of the first three fingers of his right hand were markedly thickened, plainly the results of a lifetime of drawing a bow of great strength. The longbow was dependent upon the life-style of the English yeomanry, and, as that life-style changed to make archery less remunerative and time for its practice less available, the quality of English archery declined. By the last quarter of the 16th century there were few longbowmen available, and the skill and strength of those who responded to muster was on the whole well below the standards of two centuries earlier. An extended debate in the 1580s between advocates of the longbow and proponents of gunpowder weapons hinged mainly on the small numbers and limited skills of available archers, not around any inherent technical deficiency in the weapon itself.
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I'd say, rather, that it lent ammunition to the view that Robin was a member of the yeoman class - as the Gest says.
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What I was meaning to say was that even the lowliest yeoman were landowners having status well above that of the peasant and rising. In order to achieve that
degree of skill the archer would need ample time to practise and that was a privilege accorded to the rich and powerful.
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Outside a very few fictional portrayals, I wasn't aware that anybody was arguing for an identification of Robin as a peasant. Landowners though they were, there's still a considerable gulf between yeomen and the nobility. |
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A small aside here, but it was Henry the 8th I believe who banned 'football' as it diverted the attention of the youth of the day from practising
archery. It rained on the day of the battle of Agincourt and the French crossbow strings became soddened. They proved to be pretty useless in wet weather.
Bowmen would carry spare bowstings under their hats to keep them dry. Bowmen were expert at changing bowstrings in seconds. Another fault with the crossbow was
firing it from a height; miscalculation of a distance was one problem, the bolt falling out of its groove when pointed downwards was another. As regards the
physical deformaties created by the use of the 'longbow', I can vouch that the problem still exists to this day. An American friend of mine, Mark
Warren, was world longbow champion in 1998. Robert H
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A side note: the word "longbow" is a modern invention. Back then, they were just called bows. So when the ballads mention a "bow", they
mean longbow…for all intents and purposes.
Robert Hardy's "Longbow, a social and military history" covers quite well the development of the bow in England. True, the bow was the weapon of the commoner, the yeoman, etc. A nobleman would find using the bow abhorrent and beneath them. |
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The terms 'longbow' and 'longbowman' were first used in the Paston letters of the fifteenth century. http://disneysrobin.blogspot.com/search/label/Archery |
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