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Posts: 448 (01/24/08 08:10:30) |
Have you been able to find a source for Robert de Huntingdon pardoned 1254 Marcus? All I have been able to find is Robert de Huntingdon 1191 - 1221. I thought
he died in infancy?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lzrslong/b1275.htm
"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance."
W. Clement Stone
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Posts: 172 (01/24/08 17:28:53) |
I've not found anything so far. But the claim that Robert the son of David of Huntingdon lived until 1221 is bizarre. Although his precise date of death
isn't known, a) it has to have been fairly early or surely there'd have been more records of him, and b) at the very least he surely predeceased his
father (1219), since David was succeeded by a younger son, John.
I'll be going back to the IHR on Monday. I'll comb the printed calendars for information, and while I'm there I'll have a look at the Monasticon Anglicanum to see what Dodsworth has to say about Kirklees. |
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Posts: 286 (01/24/08 19:57:49) |
I know that KJ Stringer's Earl David Of Huntingdon bio/study, mentions a legitimate Robert of Huntingdon that died in infancy, but nothing on a surviving
child of that name.
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Posts: 173 (01/25/08 11:32:43) |
That's what our information is, yes; I believe it comes from a later reference rather than anything contemporary. In the above post I entertained the
possibility of his having lived a bit longer largely so as to give RootsWeb the benefit of the doubt - but 1221, at any rate, is impossible.
A Robert de Huntington pardoned in 1254 won't be anything to do with the Huntingdon family. But it would still be helpful if we could work out who he was. |
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 449 (01/25/08 11:46:39) |
What are your thoughts on this Robert DE HUNTINGDON7,37,97,212 was born about 1191 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England. He died in 1221. He was also known as Le Scot. Parents: Earl Of Huntington David Of SCOTLAND and [Countess Of Huntingdon] Matilda DE MESCHINES. |
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Posts: 174 (01/25/08 15:49:36) |
That's the page I was commenting on. Where do they get this information? When I click on the footnotes I get "Not Found". Either they've made
a mistake or else they know something nobody else does.
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 451 (01/26/08 02:27:52) |
1981Marcus wrote: Is it possible Stringer could have made a mistake?
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Posts: 287 (01/26/08 20:53:05) |
Stringer is quoting an earlier source if I recall. I don't think he has more than a footnote on it, so I wouldn't call it a mistake on his part at
least. I'll try to dig up my copy for a look-see.
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1981Marcus |
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Posts: 178 (01/28/08 11:14:25) |
Well, I've found: no mention of any Robert de Huntingdon / Huntington before 1397; no mention of any name remotely like Loxley in the whole of the printed
calendars; no reference anywhere to Robert de Loxley that isn't derived from the same material that appears on Graham's site.
On the other hand, I did discover that the 1264 death date was wrong: Roger de Lovetot, certainly the man who had been Sheriff of Nottinghamshire, was still alive in 1271. But that, apart from his briefly holding the Honour of Peveril in 1255 and co-witnessing a letter with an otherwise unknown William Tuk in 1258, is about all. The Monasticon Anglicanum's material on Kirklees is bare and basic and includes no mention of the tombstone (or any other interesting feature) or the Robin Hood legend. I'm still puzzled as to why, if he went there, Dodsworth didn't do his usual writeup of graves and memorials for the Yorkshire Church Notes: unless, of course, he did and that bit was lost some time between then and when the YAS got hold of them. Not a very productive afternoon's research, then. Oh, and re: Stringer - as I recall, wasn't he quoting a later chronicle? I'm pretty sure there's no contemporary reference to Robert. But even if Stringer could have made a mistake about the date of death, I simply don't believe that Robert can have outlived his father, because in that case he, and not John, would have been David's heir. |
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1981Marcus |
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Posts: 183 (01/30/08 07:25:07) |
Correction: on further investigation most of those 1260s references have turned out after all to refer to Roger son of Richard, who died in 1274. I was
premature with my "certainly". (A few are ambiguous.) So Roger son of Nigel, the Sheriff, still could have died in 1264. However, it still must have
been Roger son of Nigel who acquired Loxley's lands in 1247, as Roger son of Richard was a minor at the time. (Since there's no date of death for the
Roger of the previous generation I suppose it could technically have been him, but he'd have been in his late eighties, an extraordinary age by medieval
standards.)
RootsWeb listed the generation between the elder Nigel and Richard as "Unknown de Lovetot", but according to the Victoria County History for Huntingdonshire this was in fact a daughter, Roesia, whose name Richard adopted when he inherited his grandfather's lands. I'm interested, Graham, in your assertion that "Roger was a nasty piece of work apparently". What are you basing this on, and which Roger does it refer to? (We now have no fewer than four, two of whom served as Sheriff of Nottingham - one in 1125 and the other 1255-58.) |
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 458 (01/30/08 10:52:43) |
It was a long time ago Marcus when I was studying the two sheriffs and I have misplaced my notes unfortunately. Sorry. It was just an impression I gained from
reading various web sites, he was a dirty, scheming, greedy so-and-so was the impression left on me.
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Posts: 247 (04/15/08 09:35:16) |
The mention of "Robert de Huntington, pardoned 1254" came from one Barbara Green who had apparently got her information from John Pope de Locksley. I
believe you're in contact with him, Graham? Could you get him to clarify this for us?
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Graham P Kirkby |
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Posts: 541 (04/16/08 06:05:33) |
1981Marcus wrote: Oh dear me. I only had John's mobile number and I haven't even got that now, and if you remember I had an almighty flame war with Barbara and
Cathleen Fearnly and the Nottingham Forum closed down shortly after and I'm not in touch with either of them now I am afraid.
"Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance."
W. Clement Stone |
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Posts: 248 (04/17/08 01:06:26) |
Well that's the thing, it's just a passing mention so I've no idea which Robert is referred to. (I didn't remember the bust-up, since I
wasn't on the Nottingham forum when it was up and running, I just happened across this thread after it had closed.) The fact that it's spelt
"Huntington" suggests it isn't one of the Huntingdon family; I didn't know John le Scot had a descendant of that name anyway - as I recall
the Robert who died young was John's elder brother, and certainly wasn't around in 1254.
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