There have been long discussions on this board about who people would like to see play the part of Robin in a modern film, but what about Maid Marian? Any suggestions?
How about Keira Knightley?
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Clement of the Glen |
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Thanks to all those who had a peek and voted on my website! I have been pleased to see Joan Rice get quite a few votes considering The Story of Robin Hood, is very rarely shown!
There have been long discussions on this board about who people would like to see play the part of Robin in a modern film, but what about Maid Marian? Any suggestions? How about Keira Knightley? |
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Anna Fraser |
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Clement, how about Carice van Houten? Shes Dutch, but she can speak English.
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foxley |
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Well Keira Knightley *did* play ERobin's daughter in Princess of Thieves and I think she would do a good job as Marian.
Rosamund Pike is another actress I think would make a fine Marian. |
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Clement of the Glen |
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I could get quite use to this casting couch! I'm not sure about Rosamund, but Anna's choice of Carice is interesting. Would she wear clogs? (Anna when is the next Sherwood Forester out?) The important aspect of a new Maid Marian is of course her character. Will she be a Top Shop wearing martial arts expert, like Lucy Griffiths or a rather aloof, upper class,mulit costume wearing lady, like Olivia de Havilland? How about a Maid Marian that puts a sparkle in the Sheriff's eye and flits from Castle to Forest like Bernadette O'Farrell? Or have a copper top and spend her days in the forest with Robin and his band of new age travellers like Judi Trott? What sort of character would your Maid Marian be like? |
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Anna Fraser |
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Clement, Ive never thought of clogs interesting idea! Carice van Houten is a very versatile actress; and she looks equally convincing with a natural, gamine look, as in a glamorous, retro-style costume.
What would my Maid Marian character be like? Intelligent, sensitive, vivacious, with a sense of humour and passion for life; cool and in control of her emotions as a secret agent of the Resistance; haughty, or flirtatious, as the situation requires. Carice van Houten has played a similar part already, in Paul Verhoevens Black Book. She created a very powerful, charismatic character of a woman who lives under enormous pressure, in constant danger, hiding her pain and loss strong and vulnerable, a glamorous survivor. Id like to see a Lady Marian character like that. The next Sherwood Forester should be out around Bank Holiday time, but it could be a bit late |
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1981Marcus |
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Bryce Dallas Howard.
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presterjohn1 |
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MMMMMMMMM, Rosamund Pike as Marian is a delicious idea!
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RobeH |
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I'm rapidly becoming the Blue Boar grouch, but I have to say the character of Marian has never done anything for me. She's a rather contrived 16th century attempt to give a love interest to a character who doesn't really need one. The tales of Robin Hood were brought into being by a genuine social impulse, not a desire to hear the medieval equivalent of Mills & Boon.
All that stuff about the necessity for 'strong female characters' is so much eyewash too. The medieval minstrels didn't see the need for that in Robin Hood so why have we got to cram them in? That said, Judi Trott was probably the best of the screen Marians, in the sense that she could actually act and wasn't hugely irritating. Hope that doesn't sound too mysogynistic |
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1981Marcus |
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I do understand where you're coming from. I'm very fond of a well-done Marian (Judi Trott, or Thomas Love Peacock's novel, for instance), but the terminally passive damsel-in-distress ones, and the ones in several "compilation" novels who disappear whenever the plot doesn't require them, are annoying. (On the other hand, any character in the legend can be made irksome - or ALL of them, if you're Pierce Egan.) I'd rather have no Marian than those.
But then, if it weren't for sixteenth century writers inserting love interests into medieval outlaw legends (Thomas Lodge's Rosalynde, based on The Tale of Gamelyn), we wouldn't have As You Like It. (It's largely on the back of her fantastic Rosalind that I suggested Howard for Marian. Though the fact that in general she is a much more versatile actress than Knightley or Pike - they basically do posh'n'pouty - helps.) |
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robyn hode |
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i think keira knightly would make an interesting maid marian. but my fav would probably be judi trott.
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Grammar Hammer |
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Quote: I adored Judi Trott's Marian, but I'm afraid she's too old to play Marian now. "I'd like to be a pessimist, but that is a luxury I cannot afford."
Mother Hubbard Queen of the Grammar Hammers |
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presterjohn1 |
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I don't know about Judi Trott being too old; I would like to see the old ROS gang come back and do a feature, but I guess it will never happen now. It wouldn't be the same anyway since Robert Addie (Gisburne) died.
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lady archer |
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I would have loved to have seen the beautiful Robin Wright Penn as Maid Marian. It's pretty well known that she was to be Maid Marian in RHPOT but had to pull out. She just has that real and classic beauty about her, which is so rare to find in today's malnourished and manufactured Hollywood actresses.
As for a new Maid Marian, I personally would like to see an unknown actress be cast. Some of you suggest Knightley, and Keira Knightley is a beauty, but she is in a ton of movies already. We've already seen her as Robin Hood's daughter and as Guinevere in recent years. I would like to see a fresh face, and new talent be cast. The only well-known actress I think I'd be down with as Marian is Kate Winslet, because not only is her natural, curvy beauty seemingly unmatched, she also is a seriously talented actress. |
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Allen W Wright |
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More thoughts on Marian in general than casting thoughts. (I'm more for talented unknowns playing icons -- less baggage that way. Sometimes like Uma Thurman, they become much more famous afterwards.)
I can understand RobeH's dislike of some versions of Marian. A while ago, I was scripting a Robin Hood story that opens after his death with Little John as the primary character, reflecting on his relationship with Robin. I wanted to bring out that wonderful dynamic between Robin and John that exists in the early ballads, and I found it very hard to do so once Marian was added to the mix. For example, with the Death, if Marian's alive still, she should be the principal mourner. If she's dead, that Robin died a widower. I never did solve that problem (as I recall, I was leaning towards leaving her alive but having had the relationship end previously). Marian often does domesticate Robin -- especially in a novel like Elsa Watson's Maid Marian which seems to strip away all the notable elements of Robin's personality. But I wouldn't be too down on a lot of the film Marians. From our 21st century viewpoint they are passive, but not for the times in which the films were made. There certainly were Marians (like Diane Keen in the 1975 Legend of Robin Hood, and many ones from children's books) who were completely passive. But the spy in the sheriff/prince's camp role that Olivia de Havilland, Joan Rice, Bernadette O'Farrell and Patricia Driscoll played gave them a sense of power. They may not have engaged in swordplay, but they did risk their lives to make a difference, and not just in their romance of an outlaw. Those four also had personality and weren't shy or retreating. (I remember an impish grin on Joan Rice's face, for example.) I think they all had more character than most girlfriends of heroes. One of the problems is that Marian is usually just defined as Robin's girlfriend/wife -- as if sole role is her relationship to Robin. Even when I interviewed Robin of Sherwood's creator Richard Carpenter, it was very telling. His description of Marion was the weakest of all characters. "Gentle and deeply in love. Compassionate and loyal." The others got talk about their quest for justice, early socialism and the like. Marion, she's in love and loyal. That's it? I think that's why you get things like the Prince of Thieves Marian. She's supposed to be tough and strong, but she becomes a damsel in distress pretty easily -- she can't successfully fight the soldiers and the sheriff. She can only beat up Robin and tell him off. This comes from thinking solely of the character in terms of how she interacts with Robin. They toughed her relationship with Robin, but not in any other way. If her sole role is as Robin's girlfriend, just having her sass Robin has the surface appearance of toughness. The new BBC series does this a bit too, but as cheesy as I think the bad superhero costume is, they at least give Marian a role outside of Robin. She fights injustice not just because she's in love with Robin. I don't think the idea is well-executed, but I think the sentiment behind it is good. That's why my favourite recent literary Marian is Theresa Tomlinson's The Forestwife. Her Marian has a very distinct identity apart from Robin Hood. And that's what the character needs. Some thoughts on other film Marians. I quite like the in-control-of-herself attitude that Uma Thurman's Marian has. I don't think she does a lot physically, but she's not shy or retreating. (And the only actress to pull off that page-boy disguise effectively.) As I've been mulling over my long-delayed article on Robin and Marian (and I might end up pulling the stuff I've written on Robin and the Crusades for that article and plop it in an article on the new BBC series instead), I have gained a real appreciation for Audrey Hepburn's performance. Divorcing the dialogue from the performance, I think Marian is written very much like Eleanor in Lion in Winter (by the same writer, James Goldman). She's cold and catty at times and a weepy emotional wreck at others. But Audrey Hepburn never plays her that way. There's a dignity to her performance throughout -- she never descends to the cliches that one could in that role. |
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1981Marcus |
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Quote: I don't think there's ANY viewpoint from which Bernadette O'Farrell could be called passive. Also I'm pretty sure she IS seen wielding a sword at least once. |
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Anna Fraser |
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I dont recall Bernadette OFarrell as Marian actually taking part in a sword-fight, but she did take lessons in sword-fighting from a French fencing master. I believe that scene is in the episode Checkmate (Season 1).
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lady archer |
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I'm with you, Allen. As I hinted earlier, I'm all for an unknown being cast as a future Marian, much like how John Boorman cast many unknowns in his film, Excalibur.
I actually don't mind a damsel in distress like an Olivia de Havilland Marian (what gal whouldn't want to be saved by an Errol Flynn Robin Hood!?), but I do like a Marian that can handle herself, like Uma Thurman's Marian. I don't like an unrealistic Marian, though, like how Elsa Watson illustrated Marian in her novel. Maid Marian should be a combination of things, including: Strong, feisty, beautiful, free-spirited. Such aspects of her are presented in the ballads. |
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presterjohn1 |
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Quote: Does this project have a future, Allen? I have been working on my own Robin Hood mythos for quite some time, and while it is a very recognizable Robin Hood legend and Marian plays a considerable part in it, I have tried to re-imagine and re-think a lot of the familiar conventions in new ways that conform to the historical events of the period. Marian is one of the major challenging characters in it. I have a handle on her, but I admit it's hard to keep her alive to the end of the story. I'm not sure that works for me. I can imagine taking a similar approach and writing off the relationship or killing her off (I won't say which I'm doing, just in case I ever finish the damned thing!). Incidentally, I like that you are looking at Little John as a real character in that statement above. Many versions, even Robin of Sherwood, seem to understate the strength of that friendship as it seems defined to me in the older stories and ballads. Robin And Marian is about the only film version which really pays their friendship its due. presterjohn1 |
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WoodsyLadyM |
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Quote: Very true, why in her first appearance she not only gets Robin captured but also helps him escape. |
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