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Graham for PM	Simon de Kyme,sheriff of Lincolnshire	Lead	[-]
Posts: 46 (05/02/08 08:52:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Sheriffs of Lincolnshire (PRO lists) Mich 1190 William de Stuteville Chris 1190 Gerard de Canvilla Roger de Stukewold (undersheriff) Mich 1193 Eustace de Ledenham (undersheriff) Mich 1194 Simon de Kimene (Kyme) Mich 1195 Peter de Bekering and E de Ledenham (undersheriffs) Mich 1197 Philipus filius Roberti Mich 1198 Robert de Tateshalle East 1199 Hugh de Babi Chronica Roger de Hoveden. Pars Posterior Ad 1194 March 30. Great council at Nottingham Eodem die rex dissaisivit Gyrardum de Camvilla de castello et vicecomitatu Lincolniensi, et Hugonem Bardolf de vicecomitatu Eboraci sirae, et de castello Eboraci, et de castello Scardheburg, et de custodia de Westmerlande: et omnia supradicta exposuit venditioni. Unde factum est, quod cum cancellarius conventionaset, se daturum regi pro vicecomitatu Eboraci sirae, et pro vicecomitatu Lincolniensi, et pro vicecomitatu Nordhamtesirae, mille et quingentas marcas in principio conventionis, et singulis annis de unoquoque praedictorum comitatuum centum marcas de incremento.Gaufridus Eboracensis archiepiscopus obtulit regi tria millia marcarum pro vicecomitatu Eboracensi, et singulis annis centum marcas de incremento (the sheriifdoms of Lincoln and Yorkshire and the castles of York and Scarborough are put up for sale. The archbishop of York buys the sheriffdom of Yorkshire) Rob, do you have this information? It looks like Simon de Kyme bought the sheriffdom of Lincolnshire in 1194 after Richard had put it up for sale. Hoveden goes on to say that Gerard de Camvilla was charged with robberies, he was corrupt so Richard stripped him of the sheriffdom in 1194. Geoffrey,Archbishop of York,who was at the great council at Nottingham on March 30 1194 bought the sheriffdom of Yorkshire. I wonder if Simon de Kyme was also at the great council as well as there was an auction of these posts there. To have bought the post I think he may have had to have been. Interesting. Interesting background to events in 1194 if nothing else.
Robhen		#1	[-]
Posts: 133 (05/07/08 05:56:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	According to Brian Goulding in, 'Simon de Kyme: the making of a rebel.' Simon de Kyme became sheriff of Lincolnshire in 1194, paying 40 marks, *'de dono habendo comitatus.' He held this post until 1197, when he was replaced by Philip, son of Robert. *I don't know what this means, but my Latin dictionary gives de - of; dono-gift; comitatus-retinue. So a guess would be that his friends/company had a whip round for him to get the cash together. Simon had been left in debt by his father Philip's unfulfilled ambitions. Can't find anything about him being at the great Council at Nottingham.
Graham P Kirkby		#2	[-]
Posts: 597 (05/10/08 10:11:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The de-Kymes were a Yorkshire family with a branch in Lincolnshire and one of them held land across the border in Nottinghamshire. Sir Robert le Vavasour, High Sheriff of County Nottingham was from Tadcaster. Notice the proximity to Newton-de-Kyme and Wetherby which has been talked about a lot in the past. They are all near York. "Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." W. Clement Stone Last Edited By: Graham P Kirkby 05/10/08 11:16:39. Edited 3 times.
1981Marcus		#3	[-]
Posts: 276 (05/10/08 12:11:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What's the citation for his Tadcaster origin? If this is related to Shipley, I'm afraid he probably came from Shipley in Derbyshire - though the Vavasours were principally a Yorkshire family.
Graham P Kirkby		#4	[-]
Posts: 600 (05/10/08 12:27:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Here Starting from about halfway down the page. And here: HAZELWOOD.-(In the Parish of Tadcaster.) - SAINT LEONARD. - Barkstore Ash wapentake, U. D.-The Chapel of Hazelwood, which is now used as the private chapel of the Vavasour family1, was formerly granted (with the Church of Tadcaster) to the house of Sallay, by the Lady Maud de Percy, Countess of Warwick, by the counsel of William le Vavasour. "Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance." W. Clement Stone Last Edited By: Graham P Kirkby 05/11/08 02:01:54. Edited 2 times.
1981Marcus		#5	[-]
Posts: 277 (05/11/08 05:53:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ah, Hazelwood - the other Robert Vavasour, then.
Robhen		#6	[-]
Posts: 136 (05/11/08 06:40:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think the name rather gives it away Graham; de Kyme- of Kyme, Linconlshire. Unless you've found another somewhere in Yorkshire. Simon De Kyme, Lord of Newton Kyme, founded Newton Kyme, hence new; ton; settlement. Surprised that you miss Bilborough, off the A64. Can't you fit that into your theory; maybe move the one from Nottinghamshire.

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